s3e11 Infinity Pool, The Tribunal Project
Jonathan Thirkield, Judy Talaugon, Olivia Eggena, DeJanai Brown, Hazel Smith, Louis the flagger, Joewyn, Elmcor Youth Center crew, Julie Patton
s3e11
April 17, 2025
Martha welcomes Jonathan Thirkield to the audio garden to talk about his new book of poetry, Infinity Pool. We welcome a new co-host, Judy Talaugon to the L&BH Hour and we talk with her about The Tribunal Project. We persist in resisting the banning of books and meditate on what it means to listen and be heard.

“I’ve never really had an investment in having a consistent voice. I know that there’s a voice of mine that remains throughout all of this. But with those more stream of consciousness, or just stream poems, I let the music open up that space. And then whatever I start seeing, whatever images come up, I just allow them to appear and follow them.”
Jonathan Thirkield in conversation on Listen & Be Heard
We are excited to introduce our new co-host Judy Talaugon, and hear from her about The Tribunal Project, of which she is a founding member. Martha welcomes Jonathan Thirkield to the audio garden to talk about his book of poetry, Infinity Pool, and listen to some poetry from the book.
Jay gathers some words of wisdom from Louis the Flagger and JoeWynn and the Elmcor Youth Center Crew, in New York City, about listening and being heard. Tony attended an event at Malaprops Bookstore in Asheville, NC from Olivia Eggena and DeJanai Brown about banning books.
Elizabeth Perlman introduces us to Hazel Smith, who talks about finding writing inspiration in boredom.Jay gives us some musical respite with an archival recording of the world premeire of Curamba Blues in Barranquilla, Columbia, followed by some poetic playfulness from Julie Patton and Clementine the Cat. We finish the hour with more about The Tribunal Project and what we are reading…
CREDITS– HOSTS: Martha Cinader, Tony Robles, Jay Rodriguez Sierra, Judy Talaugon, Elizabeth Perlman. FEATURED SPOKEN WORD: Jonathan Thirkield, Julie Patton. GUESTS: Jonathan Thirkield. MUSIC: Curamba Blues by Jay Rodriguez Sierra, featuring the Afro Colombian Percussion ensemble led by Nacho. Julie Patton accompanied by Alex Blak on bass and Victor Jones on drums. ORIGNAL SOUNDTRACK, MIXING, MASTERING, SOUND DESIGN: Jay Rodriguez Sierra. BANNED BOOK THEME VOICE & WORDS: Yvette Murray.
FEATURED GUESTS
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Jonathan Thirkield – Poet
Read more: Jonathan Thirkield – PoetJonathan Thirkield is a poet and digital artist. He is the author of two collections—Infinity Pool (University of Chicago Press Phoenix Poets 2024) and The Waker’s Corridor, winner of the 2008 Walt Whitman Award of the Academy of American Poets.
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Judy Talaugon -Land Protector, Storyteller
Read more: Judy Talaugon -Land Protector, StorytellerJudy Talaugon is a Chumash and Filipina Land Protector from the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians. She is the daughter of farmworkers and immigrant leaders. Growing up among Mexican and Filipina communities in California, she has been a long-time activist in numerous struggles, ranging from human rights to housing, land rights, and the fight…
FEATURED SPOKEN WORD
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Julie Patton – Poet
Read more: Julie Patton – PoetJulie Ezelle Patton is the author of The Flower Poem (Tender Buttons, 2024), Notes for Some (Nominally) Awake (Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs, 2007), and “Car Tune” & Not So Bella Donna (Belladonna*, 2003). A 2024 special issue of Chicago Review is devoted to their poetic, performative, and visual work and building maintenance project.
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Jonathan Thirkield – Poet
Read more: Jonathan Thirkield – PoetJonathan Thirkield is a poet and digital artist. He is the author of two collections—Infinity Pool (University of Chicago Press Phoenix Poets 2024) and The Waker’s Corridor, winner of the 2008 Walt Whitman Award of the Academy of American Poets.
FEATURED BOOKS
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Chan Master Huang-Bei Tuan-Chi – The Dharma of Mind Transmissions
Read more: Chan Master Huang-Bei Tuan-Chi – The Dharma of Mind TransmissionsThe Mind is neither large nor small; it is located neither within nor without. It should not be thought about by the mind nor be discussed by the mouth. Ordinarily, it is said that we use the Mind to transmit the Mind, or that we use the Mind to seal the Mind.
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Jonathan Thirkield – Infinity Pool
Read more: Jonathan Thirkield – Infinity PoolDiving through illusions and phantoms of virtual realms and into the human desire for boundless possibility, Infinity Pool charts the ways technologies have become embedded in our minds, bodies, and lives. Immersed in a world of data streams, neural nets, spider algorithms, and electronic terminals, Jonathan Thirkield’s poems plumb the dissonances and shrinking distances between ourselves and…
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Matthew Shipp -Black Mystery School Pianists
Read more: Matthew Shipp -Black Mystery School PianistsBlack Mystery School Pianists and Other Writings is a collection of essays and prose poems from acclaimed pianist and visionary Matthew Shipp. Downbeat magazine has described Shipp as “the connection between the past, present and future for jazzheads of all ages”
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Sonny Rollins -The Notebooks of Sonny Rollins
Read more: Sonny Rollins -The Notebooks of Sonny RollinsSonny Rollins is one of the towering masters of American music, a virtuoso of the saxophone, and an unequaled improviser whose live performances are legendary and who has reshaped modern jazz time and time again over the course of a career lasting more than sixty years.
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