Martha Cinader hosts an audio journey, including Tony Robles reporting on a Leonard Peltier demonstration in SF and bias in the schools in Hendersonville, live spoken word by Barbara Barg and Julie Patton recorded at WBAI Radio in the 1990s, and more from Carl Hancock Rux back in the day, Poonam Srivistava speaking with Bina Sharif, more from Joelle Biton and poetry by Kim McMillon published in A Gathering of the Tribes, Black Lives Matter issue.

• Tony Robles Videos
• Leonard Peltier Case Facts
• Joelle Biton
• Barbara Barg
• Julie Patton
• Carl Hancock Rux
• Bina Sharif
• Theater for the New City
• Grow Our Own Teachers of Color
• AGOTT Black Lives Matter Issue
• Kim McMillon

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Speaker 1
To free Leonard. How can we be free when we stay apart? Hide inequality with lies Cry crocodile tears for 48.

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Speaker 2
Years.

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Speaker 1
Hello. My name is Martha Cinader and this is listen and be heard.

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Speaker 3
Many.

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Speaker 1
Given how taking taken life. I want to welcome you to this sound montage you're about to hear a tapestry of voices and ideas and concerns from the past and the present and projecting a little into the future. So you'll hear a bit from the 1990s in New York and Barbara Bach and Julie Patton live on WPA radio. And then we'll come to present day San Francisco, where Tony Robles attended the International Day of Solidarity with Leonard Peltier.

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Speaker 1
And we'll hear from the variety of voices who were there. We'll also hear from Poonam Srivastava and Bina Shareef in New York City, where Bina just closed with her play. Life is a one act play at the theater for the New City, and also conversation continues from the previous episode that I had with Joe, Peter and my helpers is around Martha's Kitchen Garden here, James Crew Will and Kirk.

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Speaker 1
Then we'll wrap it up with Carl Hancock Rocks a CD of his from back in the day living it is not.

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Speaker 4
Business as usual. Tomorrow is the future and the future is different. And I will live into a future. I will live into difference. Future and hope are partners, perhaps diluted partners, but partners nonetheless. But then tomorrow becomes today. And today is exactly the same. Oh, maybe there's new shoes, new hats, new toys, new presidents. But the color is the same.

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Speaker 4
The color of business, the culture of business culture decays into a chilling beige a killing beige culture is business is culture is business is culture is business is culture is business. Nothing else is permitted. Everybody's business is everybody's business. Business is an extreme conclusion of hunting gathering. Not everyone in the species will eat tonight. Not everyone in the species will sleep warmly tonight.

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Speaker 5
Hi, this is listen and be her bird TV. We're at federal building here in San Francisco, California, where there has been a a gathering to demand clemency for Leonard Peltier. This is one of the representatives has been working so hard to make that happen. If you can give your name, the organization you're with and exactly what's going on here this evening.

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Speaker 6
Sure. So my name's Jeffrey Gavrilo Wells. I'm actually a coordinator here in San Francisco for the local Amnesty International chapter, and I'm also the abolition coordinator. The death penalty abolition for later, one of two in the state of California. So all around the country and the world today is recognized as international Day of Solidarity with Leonard Peltier. It marks each year the beginning of each year of his incarceration.

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Speaker 6
And today, 2023 marks his 48th year of incarceration.

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Speaker 4
Not everyone in the species will write poetry tonight. It's the wild thing in a succumbs to the business thing the wild thing and is afraid. Business isn't greed, it's fear. It's the logical conclusion of deep dug in fear of hunger, cold pain that lingers in our Neolithic tears, fear of not being powerful enough to live through the night because it really is insanity business.

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Speaker 4
It really is insane business. It really is a psychotic kind of busyness. This business breaking apart the planet, eating the eyes, ears, tongues out of the skulls of busy humans bound in business The brotherhood of business. Oh, baby, the copulating corporations burying a life in business The phone that holds the hand that serves the brain that wants the coffee, the mouth that drives the yes while gazing into the computer, the obedience that shapes the life that hacks the morning into billable hours is.

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Speaker 6
Actual event is sponsored by Answer Coalition. And I'm just a community friend. I've known Gloria for a while Gloria bloody mess. And I just came to show up and also amnesty. Today we released an urgent action on Leonard's behalf, and we also released a press statement that really, amnesty is, you know, as I'm sure most people know, that we are a nonpartisan human rights organization.

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Speaker 6
Yes.

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Speaker 7
Yes.

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Speaker 6
With millions and millions and millions of members. And so amnesty has been our release for decades. It's getting to the point where we're running out of time.

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Speaker 4
Pathetic little humans doing business at millions of terminals stacked in dead beige cubicles on floors and floors of office cages. Well, outside the skyscrapers, flowers die. Birds fall from trees into poisoned rivers, a century of concrete, of bulldozers of many little humans minding their own business. It's out of control. This business. Oh, baby, I wish I knew what comes next.

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Speaker 4
I wish my little species could be there now. When we finally make it out of the hunter gatherer stage.

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Speaker 6
The only way he can be released at this point is through President Biden. I do have faith that President Biden is going to do the right thing because we have such limited time and because Leonard is not only a man, but he is symbolic and he is so important to the indigenous community. So with him we have Secretary of Interior Deb Colin and we have so many other Native folks and Indigenous folks all around the world rising up and really speaking out for Indigenous rights.

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Speaker 6
And I believe and I hope that President Biden and Jill Biden are listening.

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Speaker 4
When we finally make it through the panic, desperate hunger strategies, when we're sick of business as usual, as business as usual is business as usual is business.

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Speaker 5
One of the speakers said that he has been incarcerated. He was incarcerated longer than Nelson Mandela was. Nelson, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6
So see, Nelson Mandela was incarcerated for 27 years and in fact, Nelson Mandela advocated for his release when he was released. Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Coretta Scott King.

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Speaker 2
How did this play come to be?

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Speaker 8
Well, I wrote this play during the lockdown and actually right after George Floyd was tragically murdered. And but but I was going to write a different play. The play was kind of like only one word, which shattered me completely was the one he called for his mother. He's called mama. And right away I thought of a play which I had not written.

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Speaker 8
I thought of a play that they would be like in the very shadowy figures, like five or six women who are coming to receive their dead children, murdered children, because of the violence in the world, you know, and and they were all because because in my culture, I'm from Pakistan. My culture, there's a belief that when you you're near death, you see your deceased relatives.

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Speaker 8
Right. Who come to who come to receive you, to take you away to a better world, because they see all this violence happening.

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Speaker 1
The media is, I think, something important for us all to try to understand and digest how it's affecting our lives as just as human beings and also as artists and writers and content creators.

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Speaker 4
How do you actually position yourself there? Like and why did you, as I should ask you, like, why did you feel it was important to start this podcast and in particular about this topic?

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Speaker 1
Thank you. Listening to Heard actually started as open. Mike back in the 1990s.

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Speaker 3
This is a car vroom and this is a car tune. I'm in awe of as rivers eyes, angels acts appalled. I stand bored going down south in a car, a line about a talk whom he you you taint necessarily so de Monaco. It's a comically maniacal, methodically ironic kaleidoscopic alley. How many? How many, how many, how many homicide a co ipso collapse.

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Speaker 3
So it's de facto we should to be disputable we totally distorted but repeatedly we portable and debatably horrible.

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Speaker 7
And said that only lived in the world. This was the property of Christian and by Christians. They not white people and really they make from Spain and Portugal and anywhere from the land of the land no longer belong to the indigenous people of the land. The lands belong to the settlers and conquerors who had arrived. So want to say, wow, that's a long time ago, 1494.

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Speaker 7
But I was brought up and I think this is important. And the Supreme Court case and 2004.

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Speaker 3
Debacle or debacle of battle about babies brought below strange bad bedfellows. It's a carcass, a cut. It's got blanche, a raccoon, harness tow, had kids in tow. Oh, what's this car? Go, go sink to the such great lengths just to get hitched she'll learn to link and chain gang Mother of peril loins lies in bread hanging a sheet in desperation from her father's bed Hush, don't say a word Mama's gonna in a minute minimal ketchup up by his though if he is tar and feather him to that oh, Jim Crow helpline.

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Speaker 3
Jacqueline Nelson is sitting on a bench. Why it's despicably dismissible disposable with Nicholas the SS I own she did is dismiss this mess Susan Smith who this is Miss FedEx Douglas Smith. Hey, hey, hey. Kind of get a witness. Get with this tycoon of a cartoon of coons. Hoo ha ha hee hee hee hee ha.

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Speaker 1
And New York City at a place called University of Streets. And I just started doing it. People pay $3 to come and it grew into a almost a spectacle, having.

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Speaker 8
It to kids. So I couldn't do that. And, you know, and Kevin is in MO mostly in my plays. And so it was definitely the deep down was this total frustration of being locked in, you know, and also I don't write at home. Yes. You you know, I write I write in the cafes. You know, I've written all my plays longhand in the cafes and a window seat.

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Speaker 8
Yeah, the window seat or coffee. That's very, very hot. And that's why I have so many scripts because they are handwritten, then they are changed and this and this and this. So my frustration was that no idea was coming to me at home because I don't like I don't like to be in the kitchen and I just was too much.

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Speaker 8
I'm not like a house person. And so I couldn't go to a cafe. I couldn't, like, you know, create anything and and and then somehow the other, I don't know how the plate changed. So because I think my idea was so sad that I couldn't it was consuming me. Yeah. So I admit I changed it and I. That is still.

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Speaker 3
Ha ha. He he he he ha. Living in a car. Ha ha ha ha. That's a lie like saying got to sit up bench picking in it wits to sit out her ridiculous conniption fit the highly conspicuous meticulous conscripted cryptically pointed cartoon of a taken as their only defense. So why, your Honor, is the chicken river chicanery, the buffoonery of her ornery American caricature of a Harry ha ha character assassination, whether acme a bomb, a nation of that's your folks meet the hell entire nation of that's oh folks oh but are with a show this is it, man.

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Speaker 3
A nation with the same old man me animation mama mia Culp Ability to be a mad, mad media madea lipstick and kids into a water cocoon rather on from terrible an entire nation swoons Hey, hey, hey don't throw your kids in the lagoon. After tuning into that Fat Albert cartoon Then blame it on a black cat You title tall in a cartoon Fulla Putty whacked ass Boone Zip Coon Negritude will be studio looney tune.

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Speaker 6
Buffoon President Biden weekly same people. I also Paul I didn't have enough time to get the phone number, etc. but I send postcards, right? I get people to write postcards every little bit each one of us can do makes a difference. And within our community is.

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Speaker 3
Since the sound of you is separate cattery or exhaustive makes one type subordinate to another turns into this lampoon of a sitcom of fools, a far cry from the usual Looney Tunes of the oh shucks goofball photo genetic esthetics of the evening news correction fluid cartoon bloop boob tube blues Technicolor coloring the usual suspects. So we're in the pink of the same old hair raising story of this chicken.

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Speaker 3
Catch a story. Oh, I wish I weren't in Dixie Pete Hijinx with his pet Oh, a pig meets the bleating porky in disappearing ink Eyes bugging out and tragicomic belief pacing the color colored underwear as Elmer Fudd in you into resisting this myth. So Deputy do that and deputy dog that. What's the charge? Your Honorable Non-Convertible Sarge outlaw at large.

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Speaker 8
They all know this isolation and this difficulty. And the whole world watched George Floyd murder. And also then I had the tragedy in my life. My brother passed away. And no, I cannot I just cannot believe that I wrote this title. Life is a one act play. You know, it's so it's become so personal, so difficult that whatever and you.

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Speaker 2
And yet your audience was laughing.

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Speaker 6
And then Amnesty International, as I said, just put out an urgent action. And what that is, is it's calling on everybody all around the world to write letters and they give it a a draft and you can send it yourself. I always to send it to the pardon attorney, who's Elizabeth Cohen. But really, call in your representatives, call on your senators.

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Speaker 6
There's a great podcast called Leonard Political Prisoner. Listen to it. They also give a lot of tips.

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Speaker 5
Leonard Political Prisoner. And that's the podcast. And I'm assuming on the Amnesty International website, this probably a section on there where you can get a lot of information on on Leonard in this case.

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Speaker 6
And there will be more because he's just he's we're going to be lifting him up in a part of our campaign.

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Speaker 5
Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 6
From April to June. So you will be hearing a lot more about Leonard from everywhere. If you're a writer, please write letters to the editor. Even if you're not a writer. Read letters to the editor. There's amazing music all around the world. So many musicians have dedicated songs and in fact, whole albums to Leonard Peltier.

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Speaker 8
As a person, I've had very difficult life, a painful life, you know, because of my family separation and all, many that's happened in my family. So I have written very, very strong topics. You know, I've chosen very strong topics about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and all those things. And you know, but I can only deal with it deal with those difficult subject matters with humor.

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Speaker 8
Yes. You know, and the humor of it's kind of missing during the lockdown because we were bickering and all that stuff. But still, the humor comes through. You see, I can never do anything if I do not have I don't deliberately use humor, but I think I'm blessed with the I have a sense of humor and that people enjoy that.

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Speaker 8
So it just become a balance of the you know, a balance of a tragic comic kind of thing and waffle.

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Speaker 3
And we wait. Assault and battery twist passing. What destiny made manifest finger pointing skin as the only evidence. Why, you dirty rascal. It's a parcel a hassle. The Looney Tunes cartoon Masa a show canceled is unbelievably laughable implausibly laughable. It's just show skit and quibble about laughing stock about cannibal unless you pass. Camera obscura, screen test, film noir or cinema verité.

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Speaker 3
Warn her brother what a mother exits stage right happens to murder two boys, lip sync ins, color clashing, car crashing and the not so Mary melody of swing low sweet suffering succotash Did you say cartoon or was it Taku cartoon? A Taku Taku in a cartoon a far cry from the usual Looney Tunes.

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Speaker 1
You are tuned to Wbay Radio 99.5 FM Listener Sponsored Noncommercial Radio. This is the power of the word. I'm your host and producer, Mark of Senator. You just heard Julie Patten preceded by Barbara Barg live here in the studio. And we go now to I just feel like listening to her needs to come to life again give and I probably will start an event here somewhere but I think the overriding thing I want to do is this podcast and really living it kind of lead the way for other people to do the same and give them a platform to do that and possibly even become like a radio station.

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Speaker 1
Yes.

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Speaker 8
Oh, I guess I have produced like 33 and they're five or six sitting in my house.

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Speaker 2
33 things produce and live and it is having gone to other countries. Yeah.

00:20:03:11 - 00:20:12:05
Speaker 8
One of my they're one woman they called up one woman went to Manchester, remember me to Pakistan to Hawaii, to Canada, to Belgium and.

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Speaker 1
No one knew.

00:20:12:21 - 00:20:25:03
Speaker 8
And in the end, it also came back. And no, I did it to do something in New Orleans wedding and did that. And some excerpts have been like performed in London of my 1000 hours of love.

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Speaker 1
So the idea is about creating community essentially, we do all need to listen and learn and we also need to be heard to feel like we're part of a community living. And so I think that's all of our shared responsibility to do so.

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Speaker 7
In a.

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Speaker 6
Healthy quality. A former FBI agent is now speaking out and many, you know, formerly were a part of his incarceration are now really begging President Biden, you know.

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Speaker 5
What? Well, you know, it's fitting that this is in front of, I guess, you know, the federal building, Nancy Pelosi's district, of course, President Biden. I think one of the things that you said was to call President Biden, send text messages, I would assume maybe calling some of our local representatives on the national level.

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Speaker 7
Yes.

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Speaker 6
All around the country. So we have a number of representatives who've already spoken up and a number of senators. I don't think any of there is enough in South Carolina.

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Speaker 5
And North and South Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
To stand up and make sure that you're heard and and to listen to people who maybe get overlooked as well. We do emotions creating good.

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Speaker 7
People out of people. Yeah. Yeah. How in the hell does a man go to jail defending his right to be in his own home?

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Speaker 9
I got to have the right home.

00:22:04:27 - 00:22:09:12
Speaker 7
Everybody's got to come in a love supreme album and the shotgun and all.

00:22:10:22 - 00:22:17:23
Speaker 4
And you feel like, didn't you? Because I am also.

00:22:18:05 - 00:22:18:22
Speaker 1
I.

00:22:18:22 - 00:22:21:24
Speaker 4
Love your poetry. I think you feel like.

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Speaker 1
When you.

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Speaker 4
Are using these platforms, you are able.

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Speaker 1
To win and.

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Speaker 4
To connect to people via videos, channels. Or do you feel like there's a gap in how you would want to be able to exchange with your practice?

00:22:44:22 - 00:22:48:22
Speaker 1
Well, I used to love doing live radio.

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Speaker 7
Thanks, everybody, for being here. I it means so much to all of us that we can organize these demonstrations all around the country. Right. There's around 50 of us here. We know that there's thousands and thousands of us all over the world, really millions.

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Speaker 1
It was nice that people could call in and there could be an exchange. So that's what I really loved about radio. And I would like to get this podcast to that point where I'm on a learning curve, but I would like it to be live and be able to like patch you in from Zurich or wherever you might be, as well as other people from around the country and the world and have these types of conversations.

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Speaker 1
So that's where I'm headed, keeping it together when you're falling apart.

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Speaker 7
I'm 24 and so that number 48 is incomprehensible to me. All I can think of is just how mean. You know, we've been in protest where it feels like it's going to get right in 2020. We could see burning police cars and like the right stuff. And I wondered what would happen to us. Right. I don't think I get so close to the edge like that before to having my freedom totally restricted.

00:24:18:05 - 00:24:56:03
Speaker 7
But when I did experience, I thought, what would I need the people on the outside to do for me? And so I'm really glad that we can keep doing it. I know that we need to intensify our effort and level of pressure that hasn't been there before. Right. In 2016, when Barack Obama was leaving office, the protesters at Standing Rock made it possible that Barack Obama just got back by pipeline again with the stroke of your pen.

00:24:56:03 - 00:25:01:02
Speaker 7
And Barack Obama's response was right through the tree. We'll see what happens.

00:25:01:06 - 00:25:32:21
Speaker 1
That's where I'm headed. And it would be heavy just like that. Now I'm talking to authors and poets, but also about gardening and, you know, soil, which is the original culture of cultures. And, you know, all of us coming together to do the important work that needs to be done for the climate and and for our children and for our future generations.

00:25:32:28 - 00:25:35:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4
Maybe I'll send you some. Also, we have in our department and where I teach in Zurich and in general, we tend to we have also a research group called Critical Ecologies.

00:25:50:01 - 00:25:54:11
Speaker 1
You see this, we don't go to the movies and they never go to over there.

00:25:54:17 - 00:25:56:03
Speaker 10
And so they go on through the floors.

00:25:56:04 - 00:25:56:09
Speaker 7
And.

00:25:56:09 - 00:25:59:06
Speaker 1
They're both like going under the deck right now.

00:25:59:09 - 00:25:59:21
Speaker 7
Right.

00:26:00:13 - 00:26:08:04
Speaker 1
So I think there's a lot of water comes into those two and it would be worthwhile.

00:26:08:15 - 00:26:10:05
Speaker 7
You know, we probably had to take a pizza.

00:26:10:22 - 00:26:25:27
Speaker 1
Because I also I drip a hose for the ducks already and if I could trip to stop dripping mine city water for the ducks appear to be able to just drip my water the rainwater tanks for them.

00:26:25:27 - 00:26:50:21
Speaker 7
But most of all we to know the power ourselves because if the politicians do what we need to help us get control of our minds, it's going to be because we want them to. So let's look outside our building and we have a very simple demand. I'm going to say clemency now. And it's a reminder for a group right now and the House.

00:26:52:09 - 00:26:52:25
Speaker 1
And.

00:26:54:18 - 00:27:28:25
Speaker 4
Some students have been very much involved in working the soil. I have my self allotment where where I work. I helped me also reflect a lot on that relationship with our environment. But there's so much interesting research at the moment on this topic. So yes, so right now, my I mean, the main the core of my website is in there is as a portal, it's never updated enough or up to date enough.

00:27:28:25 - 00:27:37:03
Speaker 4
But it's it's called Free Radicals that I know. So free radicals like the Free Radicals by Carol that I am the.

00:27:37:03 - 00:27:38:21
Speaker 3
Certainty that the good.

00:27:38:21 - 00:27:47:16
Speaker 9
Things the really really really good things you know.

00:27:48:11 - 00:27:53:04
Speaker 1
In living doing it is.

00:27:54:22 - 00:28:12:23
Speaker 9
It living it oh man revolution haven't been it is on the.

00:28:12:24 - 00:28:14:19
Speaker 10
News nowadays.

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Speaker 9
Oh man Ramadan is. It's real clear to me that my.

00:28:24:17 - 00:28:55:09
Speaker 10
Idea of struggle died a long time ago. The revolution is in Ayatollah, you know, right where it is now, you know, college nowadays, one chicken sandwich in a bus driven hip intelligentsia, me heading down so many, my dashiki boys migrating to the southern wind. The find is kin. Those crows and we things. You're so much about Marxist nationalist Christian less comfort hypocritical despising.

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Speaker 11
Now they got they got.

00:28:57:08 - 00:28:58:10
Speaker 1
Better wine.

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Speaker 11
Barrel wow oh yeah I love wine vinegar I'm put out here before we try what we do what we do is if they got something good down that middle way, cut it out and had the pope remember me as say that and conclusion I sit.

00:29:16:03 - 00:29:19:27
Speaker 1
And you sit in a wine barrel chair. I've seen.

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Speaker 11
Some.

00:29:20:18 - 00:29:24:14
Speaker 1
What about a wine barrel with a wine barrel chair sitting next to.

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Speaker 11
And one friend of mine he dead now he to one of them they took it and couldn't have long way and he built the bottom man and they just it.

00:29:37:04 - 00:29:38:16
Speaker 1
Says, Oh, nice.

00:29:38:16 - 00:29:39:11
Speaker 7
And it was beautiful.

00:29:39:15 - 00:29:48:15
Speaker 1
I bet. Well, how about when? Where did you call these other ones? What do they call them under that? We're going to put on to the.

00:29:48:15 - 00:29:49:23
Speaker 7
Day we get to tote.

00:29:50:09 - 00:29:50:26
Speaker 1
Tolls.

00:29:51:00 - 00:29:51:19
Speaker 11
To. Yeah.

00:29:52:04 - 00:29:53:18
Speaker 1
So we're trying to get to.

00:29:54:15 - 00:29:54:29
Speaker 10
The rig.

00:29:55:23 - 00:29:59:22
Speaker 11
Mouth. Who dog. Oh, you mean like a cattle trough. Yeah.

00:29:59:29 - 00:30:02:12
Speaker 10
No one. They say all over the place.

00:30:02:12 - 00:30:06:01
Speaker 11
Word for why you place the square. Oh.

00:30:06:13 - 00:30:35:21
Speaker 10
I luck guys like in third round in Tyrannosaurus Rex style of brothers flex while motherfcker baby what's your name walks by you will see I make my stance she says Last chance to go there and debate and you go boom. Do you speak jiggle boom. So you do. Sugar Boo comes in £33 of B.S. in she we put both go all over me the revolution is that our collard greens, baby?

00:30:36:05 - 00:30:44:01
Speaker 10
That's right We operate on the top of me baby I'll get the week now. Hot sauce and pot and one more and falling down They.

00:30:44:14 - 00:30:54:07
Speaker 9
Really grab it on my own name revolution.

00:30:54:10 - 00:30:56:14
Speaker 11
For me but my corn got it by.

00:30:56:24 - 00:31:00:20
Speaker 1
Farmers out everybody. Yeah, we should all be farmers. Don't you think.

00:31:01:04 - 00:31:02:15
Speaker 11
We should all have a little patch?

00:31:03:02 - 00:31:06:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Then we would all have something to eat.

00:31:06:21 - 00:31:14:23
Speaker 11
The cleanest food you can get it. You got it anywhere? Any clean food, even me. You think you can get what you. It may be killed. You know.

00:31:15:08 - 00:31:33:03
Speaker 10
I'm careful not to put you on my grits. The flaps too much more than with me. I sit my want to see a revolution. But down at the banquet table of the revolutionary ghetto has been hotel this plantation slave has been renovated for the first man and that's will be of course this works on good. That would not be no Afro bastard.

00:31:33:12 - 00:31:34:23
Speaker 10
A panel has been formed.

00:31:35:04 - 00:31:39:25
Speaker 9
To address the question what we did wrong back in the day.

00:31:40:16 - 00:31:51:16
Speaker 10
Doctor, do you see from how you do you solve this piece with the journal Truth and Langston Hughes Party, do the BFI quotations and so goes this myth.

00:31:51:28 - 00:31:57:13
Speaker 9
They pay day MacIntyre to sire a dance to the down blues but next but nobody listens and I'll do a.

00:31:57:13 - 00:32:11:29
Speaker 10
Rhyme or two. You can not mix hip hop sound with good old fashioned intellectual Negro dumbed down on me baby, you start with the riff now hats off to modern derby One more.

00:32:11:29 - 00:32:28:25
Speaker 9
Falling down the gravel one one only rabbit is on these song.

00:32:29:18 - 00:33:04:15
Speaker 10
The road they are, they call it on Dumas with Shakespearean affectation with you all Take your seats, please with ease we squeeze ourselves in the folding chairs and ask them to send a bed back in. Amen. Brother Caskey Theater represents innovation from the hip hop heads and thread five have pulled on rivers. I've tried to follow the whole song with some Audre Lorde, but ladies and gentlemen, 1801 Now you've all been waiting for grant coupons.

00:33:04:15 - 00:33:13:16
Speaker 10
The struggle pop up. B Papa. B Take the stand. See, I've got the fool with the fancy post.

00:33:13:17 - 00:33:20:13
Speaker 9
So now she ran off the podium and then back the carload and graduates from how you you.

00:33:20:23 - 00:33:52:06
Speaker 10
This the freshmen second in the years tears ran down my face and that's where Mama B but might sound like my mama didn't back on Thanksgiving Day, she said if we wasn't sitting up here fighting, we'd be sitting up here lying with my father. I was doing Revolution Cornbread. Coleman called me, Baby, we start with the wheat now being the hot sauce and smoking baby one more and all down baby cornbread going to college, baby we start with now hot sauce and smoking.

00:33:52:06 - 00:34:05:04
Speaker 10
And there is one more fall down. I took my chicken sandwich up the bar. I sing Nina some old libretto I used to yelling, Come.

00:34:05:08 - 00:34:14:00
Speaker 9
Sit on it. Because it's real clear to me that my dear struggle don't allow long.

00:34:14:00 - 00:34:25:25
Speaker 10
Time ago to Minnie Gentry's knee C like in my first movie and it's and gospel strangulation that never live longer than it had to now who is.

00:34:26:23 - 00:34:43:09
Speaker 9
Gonna do that? Who do you do? We cut the blues out from phraseology. That's a deal for me. Now, how the revolution, baby? Is it our collard greens now?

00:34:43:09 - 00:35:01:01
Speaker 10
Baby, baby, baby. That's where it is, baby in our now they all agreed now baby, baby, baby is on the loose.

00:35:01:01 - 00:35:44:10
Speaker 1
The Rocks Redux. Carl Hancock Rex doing Cornbread Revolution. We've been listening to Voices for Leonard Peltier in San Francisco earlier this week recorded by Tony Robbins. Poets Barbara Bach and Julie Patton were recorded live on Wbay radio back in the 1990s. We've also been listening to a conversation with Joel Becton about media, tech and people and how they all intersect.

00:35:46:05 - 00:36:16:05
Speaker 1
Poonam Srivastava was Converse with Bina Sharif in New York City, where life is a one act play just closed at theater for the New City. And you also heard some work getting in touch with James Cruel and Kirk to collect rainwater here at Martha's Kitchen Garden. But the show's not over. Tony Roberts suspect.

00:36:16:07 - 00:36:18:21
Speaker 7
Robin Henderson WILLIAMS.

00:36:19:01 - 00:36:30:29
Speaker 5
The unconscious bias in the Henderson County School system. We're talking with Deborah and Crystal. Let's start with you. What was our program today? And tell us a little bit about it.

00:36:31:11 - 00:36:32:09
Speaker 7
It's the borough.

00:36:32:19 - 00:36:33:17
Speaker 5
Of the borough. I'm sorry.

00:36:33:18 - 00:36:34:00
Speaker 7
I'm sorry.

00:36:34:18 - 00:37:02:00
Speaker 12
Well, what it's about is the unconscious bias in the system, and it's here. And how can we get in there and make the changes? Have people been active with making the changes and making it aware? What about the substance of microaggression? And most people don't even realize that until we can identify this problem and then look at them from a place of love.

00:37:02:27 - 00:37:06:14
Speaker 12
We can not eradicate the systemic racism that anything national.

00:37:07:13 - 00:37:45:07
Speaker 2
Called Tribe 16, the black arts. They see the Black Lives Matter issues. So this poem is called Somebody Stole My History. Somebody Stole My History. I looked for it in books. It wasn't there. I asked my people, Where is my history? They looked down, too much pain. Why do we deny our answer. Listen, they want to talk. The voices in our heads are screaming.

00:37:45:29 - 00:38:30:02
Speaker 2
I want to know who I am. Why do we walk past the living pretending we don't see why it can be our truth is found books that we didn't by pretending we don't need to know. We don't need to heal. How long do we sit at this table? Till the both of the middle passages rise and waters to deep pain that calls to us shouting bodies clad in the past with words written on the sea floor, dark tales untold ending to be heard.

00:38:30:18 - 00:39:05:10
Speaker 2
Why can't we just say, I hear you? How long will little black girls and boys equal this? Do what is right. Look straight ahead. Don't talk. Don't question particularly the dead. But we are the dead. But we are not damned. We are here. Spirit warriors rising. Telling our truth. You can find us in the soil. You can find us in rooms long empty.

00:39:05:28 - 00:39:40:22
Speaker 2
You can find us in your hearts. Open or closed. We are still there. We breathe. Live in centuries. The first air of truth. We wish to hear our stories told. We have traveled with you for hundreds of years. We have built great cities. We have it. Breath rebelled against injustice. We held our babies while inhumanity branded and burned.

00:39:41:21 - 00:40:14:21
Speaker 2
We have kneeled in prayer, asking that our voices be heard. Our land is the past, present, future and world in between. We speak words to heal, to find lost part of ourselves. Don't look away. We have been in corners and dark places. We are moving towards the light that are you come or not. If you want to hear our story, sit.

00:40:15:12 - 00:40:29:03
Speaker 2
Question. Don't deny us. Don't deny your history. It is everywhere. We have only to look. We are waiting.

00:40:31:08 - 00:40:32:25
Speaker 5
So long as grow our own teachers.

00:40:32:25 - 00:40:48:21
Speaker 7
Of color in existence. This is the second year. The second you look at here, we have started to make you give a scholarship to one. Actually, we ended up 5/1 or not so few applications.

00:40:49:16 - 00:40:51:12
Speaker 5
So these are, I guess.

00:40:51:12 - 00:40:54:02
Speaker 7
Scholarships for high schools.

00:40:54:16 - 00:40:57:17
Speaker 5
High school seniors that are wanting to.

00:40:57:17 - 00:41:17:28
Speaker 7
Go into education to become the coming hours for all the high schools teachers who teach teaching as a profession. Okay, there's two semesters. And from that, we get a lot in the AP, a lot of application pricing as well as other areas. And, you know.

00:41:18:03 - 00:41:28:26
Speaker 5
Talk just a little bit about why, you know, why this issue is, why you personally are so passionate about this particular.

00:41:28:26 - 00:41:53:19
Speaker 7
Issue. Well, I know all the research that I've seen and I show that when there's someone you can relate to their ethnicity. Yes. That the student does better. Myself grew up in the area and seeing a lot of these students done and it's still going on. And this is one where.

00:41:54:10 - 00:41:56:22
Speaker 5
Well, like they say, you know, be the change that you want to see in the.

00:41:56:22 - 00:41:57:14
Speaker 7
World to hear.

00:41:57:14 - 00:41:58:16
Speaker 2
That. Can you hear me still?

00:41:59:03 - 00:42:05:17
Speaker 1
I can. Okay. I thought I would be able to hear myself in the earphones, but I do not.

00:42:06:07 - 00:42:09:27
Speaker 2
Yeah, I'm. I'm trying to set up my preferences right now.

00:42:10:16 - 00:42:12:16
Speaker 1
Oh, is that maybe how to do it?

00:42:12:28 - 00:42:14:12
Speaker 2
Okay, now I gotcha.

00:42:14:27 - 00:42:40:15
Speaker 1
Can you hear yourself in your ear? Sounds spoken to like a stick or a stone can break a bone. A like is a lick on the sugar stick a tick in a basket of dreams deferred without a word I.

00:42:41:07 - 00:42:43:29
Speaker 2
Oh, no, no, I can't. I can't, actually.

00:42:45:02 - 00:42:46:02
Speaker 1
You just hear me.

00:42:46:25 - 00:42:47:05
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:42:47:15 - 00:43:03:12
Speaker 1
Okay. Headlines happen daily. People pay with paper to read paper convolution rate retribution, footnotes to evolution.

00:43:04:21 - 00:43:14:19
Speaker 2
So I'll send you the file. No, I appreciate. Since I'm in charge now, if you can record too. But I'll check when we check to see.

00:43:15:14 - 00:43:22:07
Speaker 1
I got a message. It's in progress. Let me try. No, it's still asking, but if you send it to me, it's okay.

00:43:22:11 - 00:43:23:07
Speaker 2
I'll send it to you.

00:43:24:22 - 00:43:54:15
Speaker 1
The train runs chugging dividend leads to the very end from its stack while cars fall from the track. Doesn't need water, never looks back or a ahead doesn't see you me or the dead. I appreciate that. How are you? I'm good. How are you doing?

00:43:54:25 - 00:44:03:09
Speaker 2
Busy. I'm sorry I missed that. 5:00. I have issues happening with two shows, and I'm just kind of distracted.

00:44:04:09 - 00:44:23:15
Speaker 1
I'm glad you made it. That's me, too. I so a scene to a dream. Wind whips my feelings, flaps my flag, shedding tears. I'm still here with the hips. And to stitch.

00:44:28:01 - 00:44:56:01
Speaker 1
I'm going to be honest with all of you. I had a hard time putting this episode together. I know it's far from perfect. The sound is a bit all over the place, and I'm learning, folks. And you know what? I get frustrated, too. And when I converse with people who I'm working with, they get frustrated to. And technology is frustrating.

00:44:56:25 - 00:45:25:22
Speaker 1
I have to admit, it's frustrating to me anyway. And you, you know, I have a love hate relationship. It's kind of like, as they would say, the in cable hell or I think I said that but they didn't agree with me. I'm talking about today being dial of WPA radio in Asheville, North Carolina, who you heard a brief snippet of a conversation I had with her.

00:45:27:00 - 00:45:53:11
Speaker 1
And that was kind of a teaser because I had a really great one. And I'm going to bring you some of that next week along with Jimmy Harper. The other woman I was tussling with technology with over a Zoom conference and also complaining to her about my mixing board, my new mixing board that is dead in the water.

00:45:53:11 - 00:46:21:14
Speaker 1
So I was trying to bring you all this mix of stuff that I was gonna do, like, you know, it was going to be jazzy and great and I was going to have so much fun, and I was going to have my soundman here, but his schedule didn't work. And all of that kind of stuff, you know? But I persevered and I did the best I could, and now I'm going to move on to the next one.

00:46:21:29 - 00:46:54:26
Speaker 1
But before I do, let me tell you a few things. All of those snippets of interviews that you heard contributed by Tony Robles. You can watch the whole video of each one of those at Listen and be heard net and he's, you know, getting out there in the community and is great. He's been on the West Coast now he's back in North Carolina and we're all getting the benefit of his travels.

00:46:55:14 - 00:47:24:04
Speaker 1
And you can also find information. I'm going to put all the links for show will be told. I want to thank her for joining me in conversation. Also, links to Binance, Shareef and Poonam Srivastava of Theater for the New City, and I want to thank Poonam for contributing that conversation and I hope to get some more from her in the future.

00:47:25:15 - 00:48:09:01
Speaker 1
And then you heard from Kym McMillan in Mercedes, California, and she did a poem called Somebody Stole My History, which happens to be published in the Black Lives Matter issue of a Gathering of the Tribes, which is published in New York City and which I used to be involved with. Well, I sort of still am back in the nineties at the same time that I was throwing your back to all of these things that were happening back then in the midst with Julie Patten and Barbara Bach there at WVU Valley Radio.

00:48:09:01 - 00:48:39:27
Speaker 1
So it all kind of comes together and technology is intruding again with my phone, which I forgot to turn down. And now I'm getting messages and I'm not going to rerecord this. I'm just going to get to the end. I wanted to thank you, James Cruel and Kirk, for allowing me to tape some of our conversations that go on around here at Martha's Kitchen Garden.

00:48:39:27 - 00:49:05:06
Speaker 1
And there's a whole lot more. You can also find out more about that. Listen and be heard. I have a column there called Martha's Kitchen Garden. Also, check out Cindy Combs while you're there. She has a column called Lighten Up. And she always has some really great advice week. It's about actually enjoying your food and don't worry about it.

00:49:05:07 - 00:49:39:15
Speaker 1
Well, I'm paraphrasing, believe me. So go check it out for yourself. And I want to thank everybody for listening and for allowing me to be heard. So let me ask about it.